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It's Weird Because I Think Of Movies Like Reality Bites Or Something, Where, Even Though My Life Was Nothing Like That, I Hadn't Done Something Contemporary For A While, And It's Easier. You Do Try To Make Something Your Own.

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It's Weird Because I

Winona Ryder

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It's Weird Because I Think Of Movies Like Reality Bites Or Something, Where, Even Though My Life Was Nothing Like That, I Hadn't Done Something Contemporary For A While, And It's Easier. You Do Try To Make Something Your Own.

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