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Me And My Friends In High School Were The Only Girls Who Went To Hardcore Shows. It Was Three Of Us, And The Rest Of The Audience Was Male. We Didn't Really Think About It. We Weren't Thinking We Were Alienated Or Whatever, But Eventually, As There Started To Be Violence In The Scene We Were In During High School, We Started To Be Turned Off By The Violence.

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Me And My Friends

Kathleen Hanna

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Me And My Friends In High School Were The Only Girls Who Went To Hardcore Shows. It Was Three Of Us, And The Rest Of The Audience Was Male. We Didn't Really Think About It. We Weren't Thinking We Were Alienated Or Whatever, But Eventually, As There Started To Be Violence In The Scene We Were In During High School, We Started To Be Turned Off By The Violence.

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Black And White

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I'm Not Sure Riot Grrrl Would Have Been As Big A Deal If The Internet Had Existed Back Then. Because There's So Much Stuff On The Internet. People Could Have Been Like, Oh, Whatever, I'm Going To Go Look At Pictures Of Barbie Vaginas, You Know What I Mean? There's So Many Different Things On The Internet, You Read One Article And Then You Read Something Linked Off That Article And You Go Down The Rabbit Hole.

It's So Crazy Because Kids That Wrote To Me When They Were 14 Years Old Are Still In My Life. A Lot Have Gone On To Become Musicians And Artists In Their Own Right Who Inspire Me Now.

I Am Not Lyme Disease, That's Not Who I Am, I'm Still A Feminist Artist, But This Is A Part Of My Story Too, And I'm Not Going To Keep It Out To Look Cooler.

I Think That It's So Powerful For Me To Go See Someone Like Bridget Everett At Joe's Pub And Watch Her Weave Her Songs In And Out Of These Funny, Tragic Stories - You Can Talk And Sing And It's Not This Horrible Offense, You're Going To Get Thrown In Artistic Jail.

You Guys Are Seriously Missing Out Unless You All Start Listening To Girls.

I Feel Like That When I Read Certain Feminist Blogs Or Feminist Magazines, Where It's Not Even So Much We've Gone Backwards, It's That I'm Bored. Or It's Like, Oh Wow, Kids Today Are Still Dealing With The Same Exact Issues.

Just Because You're Wearing A Goofy Hat Doesn't Make It Performance Art.

I Need To See My Friends Or I'm Gonna Go Crazy. I'm Not Gonna Stay Home And Work.

When You're The Person Who's Kind Of In Charge Of Everything A Lot Of The Time, It's Sometimes Nice To Get Bossed Around. It's Sometimes Nice To Have Somebody Say, "this Is What I Want You To Do" And To Stretch Your Abilities.

I Think That Feminism Is In Cycle. Feminism Rotates Between Backlash And Interest.

The More People, As You Know, Are Able To Be On Whatever Spectrum Of Femininity And Masculinity They Are On At That Moment, That Opens The Door For Women To Not Have To Be The Opposite Of What The Supposed Traditional Male Is.

Popularity Is Totally Overrated.

I Always Get ‘what’s Wrong?’ Or ‘lighten Up.’ Half The Time, When Guys Tell Me To Smile, I’m Not Even Frowning, I’m Thinking! Then I’m Like, Oh! Some Men Don’t Want Women To Think! Do They All Have Walkie-talkies? Are They All In This Together? Like, ‘ok, She’s Thinking, Someone Say Something. She’s Reading, Go Distract Her.’ It Starts Feeling Like That Sometimes, Doesn’t It?

I'm Really Going Off Of Watching John Waters Speak One Time And I Remember He Just Kind Of Talked And It Was Totally Interesting. I Wanted To Hear About His Life And How He Got Started And When Did He Think He Made It, Stupid Stuff Like That. And What His Relationship With The Mainstream Is Because He's So Far Out There, But Then He Became Part Of The Mainstream In This Weird Way. He Was Really Funny, Though. Yeah, I Have To Work On My Jokes.

I Watch Videos On Youtube Of Bands That I've Heard Of That I Want To Check Out. And Sometimes I Don't Even Finish The Video. And That's Really Sad, Because Maybe I'd Like That Song. I Think That We Don't Give Stuff A Chance To Really Sink In.

We Support Hillary [clinton]. We're Saying That Strongly. "i'm With Her," I Don't Think That We Can Be Any Less Strident. She's The Best Person For The Job.

I Do Have Personal Relationships With A Lot Of "fans," In Quotations. I Answer All My Mail, I Get Emails From Fans, And I Try To Answer Them All. That's Important To Me, But Occasionally There's The Thing Where People Basically Ask Me To Write Book Reports For Them, And I Don't Have That Kind Of Time. I Feel Like There's A Certain Sexism Involved, Like Because I'm A Woman I'm Supposed To Constantly Be Like Giving To Everybody.

I Didn't Go To High School, I Didn't Go To College, I Didn't Have Women's Studies. All Of My Feminist Ideals And Education Have Been Built Around Art And My Friends And Community. And So It's Still Growing.

Find Something That Makes You Happy, Like Looking At Beautiful Pictures, Or, If You're Able, Listening To Beautiful Music, Or Sitting By The Window And Looking Outside - Small Things Like That Can Be Absolutely Huge.

Part Of Being In A Band, Being A Painter, Or Starting A Nonprofit Is That You're Going To Make Horrible Mistakes And Look Like A Total Idiot, But You're Never Going To Create That Thing That Really Connects With People If You Don't Fail Over And Over And Over Again.

Everybody Wasn't Always Wasted. Why Is Punk Rock About Getting Wasted? Isn't It Punk Rock To Be Sober And Change The World? I Thought It Was About Challenging Capitalism? How Are You Going To Challenge Capitalism If You're Wasted?

I'm Not Going To Sit Around And Be Peace And Love With Somebody's Boot On My Neck.

I'm In A Really Lucky Position Where People Will Be Interested In Whatever I Do, But What I Do Is Sing.

I'm A Very Binary Person In A Bad Way Where It's Like Everything Is Either Totally Great Or Totally Awful.

I Feel Like What I'm Best At Is Being A Musician And A Performer. I Want To Use That To Help People Who Are Good At Starting Nonprofits.

In The '90s, People Wore Scrunchies, But It Was Very Uncool In The Punk Scene.

It's Unexpected For Women's Issues To Be Brought Up In Places Other Than Women's Centers On College Campuses Or Crisis Places.

Women Didn't Want To Be On The Stage With Other Women Because They Didn't Want Their Bodies To Be Compared. They Didn't Want Another Female Act Opening For Them Because Of This Weird Competitive And Tokenistic Attitude.

I Think This Whole Billy Bush Thing Just Pushed Women Over The Edge Because It's So Visceral.

I Made The Decision That My Contribution Needed To Be More Musical Than Political. My Music Was Enough, Politically. Art Matters. Art Was Enough. My Music Was Enough To Say What I Had To Say.

I Get Emails Every Day From People Saying, "i Never Heard Your Music. I Don't Know Anything About You. I Just Happened To Watch This On Netflix. I Hope You're Feeling Better. More Power To You." It Just Shows You, I Don't Know, How Generous And Wonderful People Can Be.

I'm Sure If You See Things You Wrote When You Were 19, You Cringe. I Saw Stuff Like Angry Poetry That I Wrote When I Was Mad At My Father, Or Photos I Took Where I Smeared Period Blood On Myself. It's Embarrassing.

I Really Like To Talk About My Work In A Way That Is Complicated.

The Idea That Musicians/artists Have A Responsibility To Be Community Leaders Or "role Models" Is Problematic To Me Because I Really Believe That Some Of The Most Exciting Art Is Not Community-minded At Least In Any Obvious Or Direct Way, Which Is Not To Say That It Is Not Ethical Or Consciousness-changing.

I Saw A Video On Youtube Of A Girl Who Had Very Similar Reactions To Late-stage Lyme Disease As I Did. And I Thought It Was Crazy. And When I Saw Her Basically Have A Seizure On Camera That Looked Very Much Like My Seizure I Felt, "oh My God. That's Me." And So It Was Really Important To Me, And I Said To Sini, 'we Have To Find Some Way To Not Just Talk About Lyme Disease, But To Show It.

It Was One Of The First Things I Did On My Own; I Worked At Mcdonald's, Raised The Money And Did It. I'm Really, Really Passionate About Pro-choice, Because I Wouldn't Be Here Talking To You Right Now If I'd Had A Kid At 15.

Feminism Rotates Between Backlash And Interest. And The Cool Thing About The Internet Is That It's Allowing Women More Access To Their Own History. Part Of The Problem Before The Internet Was That We Didn't Know Which Books To Read. Someone Had To Tell You.

People Have Always Had These Weird Things About How You Have To Be Really Good Looking To Be A Singer.

Later As Things Progressed And I Saw The Direct Correlation Between Being Able To Keep Making Records And Having People Know About The Music, I Became More Interested In Using Popular Media As A Way To Get The Word Out.

I Almost Wish We Would've Filmed A Whole Fake Tampon Commercial Around ["i'm With Her"].

Whatever Your Personality Was Before, An Illness Makes It That Plus A Thousand. I'm A Very Binary Person In A Bad Way Where It's Like Everything Is Either Totally Great Or Totally Awful. I Don't Understand Grey Area That Well, And I've Been Working At That.

People Are Actually Having Conversations About "is This Sexist?"

I Belive Power Can Be Used For Good, I Don't Think Every Form Of Power Is Absolute Evil. I Wish I Would Have Stepped In, And I Really Regret It. And That's Why I Really Encourage Young People Who Are Organizing To Speak Up.

I Just Write What I Want To Write.

My Vision Of Punk Rock Was These Dudes Who Were Spitting On The Audience And Moshing. That's Why I Kind Of Left That Scene. Then I See All These People Around My Same Age Or Between 17 And 25 That Were Making Music Themselves In Their Own Town. They Weren't Just Singing, But Creating. I See Them Putting Out This Music Where There Are Tons Of Women Involved In The Scene And Involved In The Bands.

I Realized That Calling Yourself A Feminist Or Not Calling Yourself A Feminist, Just By Being In A Band Of All Girls, It's All You Talk About.

Since I Loved Underground Music, I Tried To Carve A Space For Feminism Within It. Those Were My Hopes.

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Every Time I Get Sexually Harassed, I'm Supposed To Turn Around And Yell At The Person, But There Are Safety Issues. Sometimes The Best Thing You Can Do It Just Walk Right Past That Person And Have A Great Day. But Sometimes You Feel Like You Really Need To Say Something.

Taking Care Of Yourself Is The Most Important Thing.

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