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At The Same Time, You Don't Want To Be Blindsided At Some Point Because You've Taken Too Much Comfort From Knowing Nothing. So You Try To Keep A Little Store Of Practical Knowledge. At A Certain Point You Have To Pretend That Something Is True In Order To Have A Relationship With The World.

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At The Same Time,

Will Oldham

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At The Same Time, You Don't Want To Be Blindsided At Some Point Because You've Taken Too Much Comfort From Knowing Nothing. So You Try To Keep A Little Store Of Practical Knowledge. At A Certain Point You Have To Pretend That Something Is True In Order To Have A Relationship With The World.

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The Ideal Is To Put On Shows Where, If You Go Into The Same Space Again, You Don't Remember Ever Having Been There Before, Because Where You Were Was A Space That Only Existed That One Time, Created By The Music.

I Was Really Looking Forward To Doing The Thing That I Do - I Basically Appear Just At The Beginning And At The End Of The 'the Glory Of The World' Play - But When I Got To Opening Night, I Started To Get Really Sad That That Was The Last Time I Was Going To See The Play As A Spectator Without Actually Being In It.

In The United States The Government Has Become Less Important. So, It's Democracy, But As Each Year Passes It Seems That The Government Plays Less Of A Role In People's Lives, And So They're Living In Whatever Situation Their Employment Imposes Upon Them More Than They're Living In A Grand Political System.

I Had A Lot Of Time To Myself, And I Would Listen To A Lot Of Music, Mostly Music That I Knew Fairly Well And Had A Relationship With. And I'd Think, Well, What Is It That I've Never Been Able To Do That This Person Or People Are Able To Do With This Song? Why Haven't I Been Able To Do It, And What Can They Do That I Wish I Could Do? And Then I'd Try To Do That. I'd Start Each Day Getting Into The Songs, And I'd Think About How I Might Get Closer To This Music That I Love, But Haven't Been Able To Make Before.

Sometimes It Will Be For More Money Than I've Ever Been Offered Before. I Mean, Am I An Idiot Again For Not Doing That?

We Always Keep Things Very, Very Simple. We Can Make A Respectable Living Playing A Smaller Room That Somebody Else Couldn't, Because They're Spending A Lot Of Money. If We Can't Get A Show Up And Deliver With What We Almost Intrinsically Have In Our Brains And Our Pockets, Then I Don't Really Want To Do It.

I Think Records And Music Are More Appropriate And More Respectful Of The Human Soul Than The Churches Are. And More Respectful Of The Needs Of Humans To Communicate With The Aspects Of Themselves That Are Neglected By Language.

I Don't Know The Reasons Why Something Is Intimidating To Me Or Disgusting To Me And I Don't Like Feeling That Way, Either. I Don't Like It When Something Turns Me Off, On Any Level. So, Its A Matter Of Saying: Well, I Can Either Sit Here And Reject, Or I Can Do Double-time Embracing Of Something Else Just To Reassure Myself That I'm Not Against The World.

Whenever I See Something That Looks Like It Could Be Good - Whether It's On Vinyl, Cd Or Cassette - If It's Not Too Expensive, I'll Take A Chance.

It's Good When Someone Says, "would You Write A Song For This Purpose," Or "would You Record A Song For This Purpose," Or "would You Help Me Realize This Song," Again, For This Purpose.

As It Turns Out, As An Adult I Can Have A Very Unpleasant, Fierce And Unforgiving Temper At Times. But I Don't Think I Had That When I Was A Kid.

The Songs Are Not Meant To Be Real Life. They're Meant To Have A Psychic - Rather Than A Factual - Bearing On The Listener. It's Rare That A Song Grounded In Reality Moves Me Because I Don't Feel Like I'm Getting The Whole Story. Songs Are Made To Exist In And Of Themselves, Like A Great James Jones Or Robert Louis Stevenson Novel - They're Not Autobiographical, And Yet There's A Reality In Every Single Page. It's Real Life Of The Imagination.

All You Do Is You Go Back To The Maida Vale Studios At Bbc In London, And It Feels Like You're In A Spaceship. It Feels Like You're In 2001 Or Something Like That. It's Massive And Well Constructed And Highly Technologically Advanced And Occupied By These Wise Scientists, Engineers, And Producers. Listening To It, It Just Doesn't Sound Like Me - That's A Younger Self That Didn't Know Who He Was Or What He Was Doing. I Can't Identify With A Nebulous Cloud.

It Is More Rewarding To Be Complicit With Scarcity Than Excess.

To Me, The Best Purpose Of An Interview Would Be To Illuminate Some Things About How Somebody Works For The Benefit Of Somebody Else Who Wants To Do Those Things. And That's Not Where Most Interviews Go At All, So To Me, They Seem Like Strange Exercises In Small Talk And Wasted Air.

If We Were Making A Record In Kentucky, There Might Be Some More Elements That Recall A Time, A Place, Or A Relationship. Recording For The Bbc You Enter Into This Strange And Wonderful, But Kind Of Sterile, Place With Which You Have No Personal History, And That's The Maida Vale Studios At Bbc In London.

I Think Everybody Works From A Defensive Position, For The Most Part, In The Film Industry.

You Make The World - With Enough Strength And Enough Luck You Make The World That You Live In. If You Accept That There's Participation To Be Done And An Existence To Be Had - I Tend To Think There Is Only One Way I Want To Go Through This Existence And That's With My Eyes Open And My Chest Out.

You're Hoping That It's Going To Be An Extraordinary Experience Any Time You Create And/or Listen To Music With Other People. I Guess What I've Been Saying Over The Past Few Minutes Is That It's Hard To Do That, To Create That.

It's O.k. To Accept Good Fortune.

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There's Very Little Admirable About Being A Pirate. There's Very Little Functional About A Pirate. There's Very Little Real About A Pirate.

I Think Most Great Actors Have Their Own Life Trajectory, The Character Motion Doesn't Have Anything To Do With Their Life Motion.

I Have A Mantra That Kind Of Explains My Feelings On This Subject, Which Is, "the Past Is The Present Is The Future." When You're Recording Something, You're Making Something That Will Exist In The Future.

I Do An Opening In 'the Glory Of The World' Play At Bam, And Then I Go Up To The High Balcony In The Back And Watch The Bulk Of The Play, But Then I Have To Leave My Seat About Seven To 10 Minutes Before The End Of That Final Big Scene...and It's A Bummer.

I Feel Like, For Me, Reading Thomas Merton Is Like “wait A Minute, This Is A Rabbit Hole. This Isn’t A Gateway Or A Ticket To Anything Except Itself”. When You're A Ways Into It, You're Five Pages In, 20 Pages In, 30 Pages In, It Seems Like One Of The More Oxymoronic Undertakings You Could Attempt.

I'd Like My Records To Reach As Many People As Possible, But I'm Also Thinking In Terms Of How I Can Keep From Getting Jaded Or Unhappy With The Process.

It's Definitely Important To Be Open Enough To Seize An Opportunity When The Opportunity Is There.

There Are A Limited Number Of Promoters Out There Who Care About Creating Music. You Rarely Meet A Promoter Who's Like, "i Want To Be Responsible For The Best Shows, I Want To Make Sure That These Are The Best Shows These Audiences Have Ever Seen."

When You're Listening To A Recording, You're Supposedly Listening To Some Aspect Of The Past In The Present As You Travel Slowly Into The Future, But You Also Know There's A Very Strong Likelihood That The Future Of That Recording, Whether You Made It Or Whether You're Listening To A Led Zeppelin Record, Is Going To Continue Probably Far Beyond Where You Are.

As Far As Implying That We Know What We're Doing, That We Have Perspective Enough - By Diving Fully Into Something It Requires A Lot Of Denial, And Denial Is Always Dangerous Even If All Of Your Intentions Are Good And All Your Preparations Are Good. When You Make A Choice You're Denying An Infinite Number Of Other Choices.

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At The Same Time, You Don't Want To Be Blindsided At Some Point Because You've Taken Too Much Comfort From Knowing Nothing. So You Try To Keep A Little Store Of Practical Knowledge. At A Certain Point You Have To Pretend That Something Is True In Order To Have A Relationship With The World.

Knowing Nothing

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I Have More Respect For Somebody Who Points At His Ideal - In This Case, The Ideal Of The Pirate - And Then Becomes Something That's More Radical, More Exciting, More Subversive Than A Pirate Could Ever Be.

I Gathered All The Different Peel Sessions Recordings Together - I Did Six Or Seven Of Them Over The Years - And Listened To All Of Them. These Definitely Have At Least A Superficial Relationship To Each Other Because They're All Very Spare.

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Making Money Is Awesome And Fun As Hell, But They're Saying, "well, You're Offered A Whole Lot Of Money To Do This," And It's Like, Well, I Do Want The Money, But I Don't Really Do That - Like Headline A Big Festival Or Something Like That. I Could Go There And Do That, But It Isn't Really What I Do. It Feels Weird To Me.

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My Booking Agent, Of Course, Here And Overseas, Their Tendency Is To Want To Build On A Certain Kind Of Measurable Success, And I Was Thinking Yesterday, What I'd Like To Do Is Maybe Start To Compile A List Of The Best 200 To 500 Capacity Rooms Around The World And Just Start Going To Them Again And Again And Again.

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I Felt So Liberated When I First Saw Charles Mee’s 'the Glory Of The World' At Bam Play, Because For Me This Is The Gateway To Contemplation, Or This Is The Gateway To Love, Or This Is The Gateway To Faith, Not Sitting And Reading A Book By An Isolated Monk, God Bless Him. This Is.

To Me, Recordings Are Little Fourth-dimension Artifacts, Because They Already Are Representatives Of Past, Present, And Future, Just Inherently In Their Existence.

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Interaction With Others

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Then Little Writings And Recordings That Thankfully Continue To Come Up. I'm In This Kind Of Wonderful, Kind Of Awkward, Off-putting, And Strange Position Where There's Nothing I Want To Do More Than Continue To Make Music, But The Ways That I Do Things Are Not In Tune With How I Can Do Them Commercially.

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