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We Know That Las Vegas Is Junk, But At The Same Time I Think That Exactly The Same Process And Ultimately Also, Perhaps The Same Logic, Attaches Itself To Or Underlies Our Masterpieces. We Live In An Amazing Era When In Spite Of An Absence Of Masters There Is An Explosion Of Masterpieces.

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We Know That Las Vegas Is Junk, But At The Same Time I Think That Exactly The Same Process And Ultimately Also, Perhaps The Same Logic, Attaches Itself To Or Underlies Our Masterpieces. We Live In An Amazing Era When In Spite Of An Absence Of Masters There Is An Explosion Of Masterpieces.

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At That Time [90th In Lagos], If You Drove Through The City, You Drove Through A Foreground That Always Seemed To Be Incredibly Dramatic And Incredibly Agonised - Smoking, Burning, Incredible Compression. In The First Year We Stayed On The Ground And Went Everywhere. But Then In Order To Discover Whether This Was The Whole Story, We Rented A Helicopter. And We Began To Understand That This Is Not Chaos But A Highly Modern System That Had Been Abandoned, Then At Some Point Went Into Reversal, Then Slowly Came Out Of It.

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I'd Say That My Profession Ends Where Architectural Thinking Ends - Architectural Thinking In Terms Of Thinking About Programs And Organizational Structure. These Abstractions Play A Role In Many Other Disciplines, And Those Disciplines Are Now Defining Their 'architectures' As Well.

The Metropolis Strives To Reach A Mythical Point Where The World Is Completely Fabricated By Man, So That It Absolutely Coincides With His Desires.

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The Luxury Of Our Position Now Is That We Can Almost Assemble Any Team To Address Any Issue.

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What Is Now Called "green Architecture" Is An Opportunistic Caricature Of A Much Deeper Consideration Of The Issues Related To Sustainability That Architecture Has Been Engaged With For Many Years. It Was One Of The First Professions That Was Deeply Concerned With These Issues And That Had An Intellectual Response To Them.

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