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We All Want To Believe This American Pastoral, But There's More To It. We Have To Be Willing To Exile Ourselves From The Fantasies And The Mythology That We Create Around Ourselves, Or We're Doomed To Kind Of Innocently Blunder Into Every Country In The World And Murder People.

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Bill Ayers

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We All Want To Believe This American Pastoral, But There's More To It. We Have To Be Willing To Exile Ourselves From The Fantasies And The Mythology That We Create Around Ourselves, Or We're Doomed To Kind Of Innocently Blunder Into Every Country In The World And Murder People.

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My Father Lived With Me The Last Five Years Of His Life And Passed Away Of Alzheimer's, And At That Point He Was Saying To Anyone Who Would Listen, "we All Hated The War In Vietnam." Well, It Was Easy To Hate The War In Vietnam 40 Years On.

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When You Go Into A College Of Education You've Got Aspirations Of Making A Difference In People's Lives, Of Loving Children, Of Working With Kids, But None Of That Is Affirmed In Your College Of Education. Then You Go Working In Schools, Especially In Places Like New York City And Chicago That I'm Most Familiar With, And You Find These Huge Aspirations Are Beaten Out Of You In A Very Systematic Way - And Still People Persevere.

Part Of The Fun Of Writing, Touring, Teaching, Is Engaging With Real People About All Of It: What To Do Now, How To Build A Movement, Of Approaches To Teaching, Of Parenting - It's Exciting To Be In That Dialogue.

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Everything Was Absolutely Ideal On The Day I Bombed The Pentagon.

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If The Logic Of Capitalism Is "expand Or Die," Then Either It Has To Die Or The World Has To Die.

It's The Height Of The Cold War, But I Grew Up In Apolitical Family And Politics Wasn't On The Agenda.

I Do Think [barack Obama's] Strategy For Re-election Is So Misguided. He's Counting On The Republicans To Self-destruct, And They Might, You Know, But They Might Not. So He Might Be A One-term President.

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I Was Involved In The Anti-war Movement.

There Was Always Resistance And There Was Always A Counter-narrative, But We Were Told All Through The Early Twentieth Century That Black People In The South Don't Want An Education, They Don't Want To Vote, They're Simple People, They Don't Want This, They Don't Want That.

Where's The Activism? Nobody Knows. And Anyone Who Thinks They Know, Like Todd Gitlin, Has Their Head Up Their Ass. Nobody Knows. The Day Before Every Revolution That's Ever Happened, That Revolution Was Impossible. The Day Before Rosa Parks, That Was Impossible. The Day After, It Was Inevitable.

We Were Very Excited And We Brought Speakers In Then It So Happened That There Was A Marine Recruiter In The Center Of Campus And One Of Our Brothers, One Sds Person Put Up A Sign With A Quote From The Nuremberg Trial And An Arrow Point At The Marine Recruiter, Saying, "this Man Is A War Criminal." My Younger Brother And I, He Was Freshman And I Was A Sophomore, Got Caught Up In The Debates That Were Swirling Around The Center Of Campus And The Young Trotskyists Had Put Out A Fact Sheet On Vietnam That Was Phenomenal.

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I Wish I Had Been Wiser. I Wish I Had Been More Effective, I Wish I'd Been More Unifying, I Wish I'd Been More Principled.

Let's Look At Two Things Real Quickly: The Civil Rights Movement In Mississippi In The Sixties And The Arab Spring Starting In Tunisia And Cairo. What They Had In Common Was People Who Were Told, And Who Believed Inside Themselves, That They Were A Certain Way, And The Society At Large Believed It.

It Transmitted Because On The Campuses, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee Was Recruiting, Was Organizing. Students For A Democratic Society Was Founded At Michigan Just A Couple Years Before I Got There. So, There Was A Kind Of A Churning Of Political Awareness. It Was Just Beginning.

I'm Different In The Sense That Every Minute Of Every Day, I Change. I'm Thinking. But The Basic Principles That Have Powered Me Forward Are Still There. They're Not Different.

Frederick Douglass Ran A Primary Campaign Against [abraham Lincoln] The Second Time Around, In 1864. They Hated Him. Why'd They Hate Him? Because He Said Things Like "i Believe In White Supremacy."

I Wasn't Part Of John Kennedy's Vision Of The World, Or Lyndon Johnson's. I Thought Of Them As Anti-communist Imperial Monsters.

The Right Said, [barack Obama] Is Lying, He's A Socialist Who Pals Around With Terrorists, He's A Secret Muslim And Blah Blah Blah. That Was Their Line. The Liberals All Said, He's Winking At Me, I Can Feel Him Winking In My Direction. He Wasn't Winking. He Said Exactly Who He Was And He's Lived That Out Perfectly.

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[martin Luther King] King Was A Socialist And King Was An Activist Who Was Really A Radical By The End.

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It Felt To Me Like I Was Living My Life In A Way That Didn't Make Mockery Of My Values. That's What I Intended To Do. So, That Became A Very Radicalizing Proposition For Me.

[lyndon ] Johnson Was Responding To A Black Freedom Movement That Was Tearing The Country Open And He Did What He Had To Do As A Conservative Politician.

Can We Imagine A Different World? I Can. That's A World Where Work Is Rational, It's In The Common Good, And We're Actually Producing Real Things Rather Than Spinning Our Wheels In Dreams Of Consumer Heaven.

Dunbar-ortiz Strips Us Of Our Forged Innocence, Shocks Us Into New Awareness, And Draws A Straight Line From The Sins Of Our Fathers-settler-colonialism, The Doctrine Of Discovery, The Myth Of Manifest Destiny, White Supremacy, Theft And Systematic Killing-to The Contemporary Condition Of Permanent War, Invasion And Occupation, Mass Incarceration, And The Constant Use And Threat Of State Violence.

Lyndon Johnson Who Was The President Who Was Executing That War, Announced In The Spring Of 1968 That He Would Not Seek The Presidency Again. He Would Go To Paris And End The War In Vietnam. Well We Were Ecstatic.

I Spoke At The University Of Georgia, And A Whole Contingent Of Tea Party People In Hell's Angels Regalia Came In And Sat In The Front And Scowled At Me While I Gave My Talk. And Afterwards The Head Of The Group Got To The Microphone And Said, I'm Surprised That I Agree With Almost Everything You Said, But I'm Worried That You're A Big Government Guy.

I'm Anti-establishment. So All The Labels, The Reason That I Keep Joking And Rejecting This Idea That I'm Liberal, Well Partly That's Because I Think Of Myself As A Radical, And By That I Mean, Not Even In The Terms Of Left-right That You Might Imagine - But Someone Who Wants To Go To The Root Of Problems.

I Don't Think Of Myself As A Particularly Nostalgic Person.

I Don't Regret Setting Bombs.

The Truth Is That The Antiwar Movement Was Powered By The Working Class. The Students Were The Ones That Got The Media And So Forth, But It Was The Soldiers On The Ground Who Really Energized The Antiwar Movement In The Late Sixties.

The First Thing I Did [in Michigan] Was Join A Picket Line Of A Pizzeria In Ann Harbor In 1963 That Didn't Allow African Americans To Eat There.

African American

[students For A Democratic Society] Was On Many Campuses And It Was A Powerful Organization. It Was Founded By Tom Hayden, Who Passed Away Very Recently. It Was One Of The Founders Of Sds And That Chief Writer Of The Port Huron Statement, Which Is Still Worth Reading. It's Kind Of The Bernie Sanders Campaign Document In A Funny Way.

The Great Example, The Killer Example In History, Is Of Course Abraham Lincoln, The Great Emancipator. Read His Speeches. Read The Debates. Wendell Phillips Called Him "the Great Slaver From Illinois."

I Get Up Every Morning And Think...today I'm Going To End Capitalism.

I Was Arrested In 1965 For Opposing The War In Vietnam. There Were 39 Of Us Arrested That Day. But Thousands Opposed Us. And The Majority Of The People In The Country Supported The War Then.

[barack Obama] Was Running For Senate And He's Saying, I'm Not For Gay Marriage Because I'm A Christian. Jump Off A Bridge! I Mean What The Hell Are You Talking About? You Know, I Mean, What's He Doing Now? He's Evolving. Evolving? Well, Evolve For Christ's Sake! And This Is A Guy - The Whole Gay Community, And The Whole Environmental Community And All These Other People Said, He's Our Guy.

Nixon Probably Was A Nice Guy.

Now You May Like The Images Of Long-haired Hippies Running In The Streets Throwing Tear Gas Canisters, But We Didn't End The War. And That's What We Set Out To Do. What Was Not Ended By The Anti-war Movement Was Ended By The Vietnamese. That's Our Shame.

I Always Say Your Body Is The Temple Of Your Spirit, Why Not Decorate It? My Kids Say, No, No, Your Body Is The Temple Of Your Spirit, Keep It Clean. I'm Covered In Tattoos And I Get A Tattoo Every Time I Write A Book. I Get The Tattoo From The Book.

Your Body's Always Going Through Changes. It's Fattening Or Thinning Or Wrinkling Or Blotching, And The Only Thing You Really Have Control Over Is Putting Some Decoration On It.

Going Through Changes

There Was A Sense Of Palpable Relief That George [w.] Bush Was Leaving And That The Republicans Had Slipped Back And That Was A Wonderful Feeling.

The World Spends Two Trillion Dollars A Year On Military, And Of That Two Trillion The United States Spends One Trillion. We Have A Bigger Military Than The Rest Of The World Put Together. We Have 150 Foreign Military Bases.

I Was Arrested 1965. I Had Come Back From The Merchant Marines, Got Into Conversations About The War. I Had Never Heard Of Vietnam Until I Was In The Merchant Marines In Constitution Square In Athens, And I Picked Up The New York Herald Or The International Herald Tribune And There Was My First Introduction Of The Word Vietnam.

I Know That's A Little Jarring, Coming From A Weatherman, But What I Mean By Being Humble Is Doubting If Your Action Did Anything. So You Have To Open Your Eyes, Act And Doubt. And Then You Have To Repeat For A Lifetime.

There Are Things About Classic Liberalism That Obviously I'm Drawn To And I Bet All Of You Are As Well. Those Are Things Like Liberty, Freedom, The Bill Of Rights. But The Reason That I Reject The Label Is That I Grew Up Cutting My Teeth Against The Liberals.

You Cannot Live A Political Life, You Cannot Live A Moral Life If You're Not Willing To Open Your Eyes And See The World More Clearly. See Some Of The Injustice That's Going On. Try To Make Yourself Aware Of What's Happening In The World. And When You Are Aware, You Have A Responsibility To Act.

I Came Back To Ann Harbor, Got Caught Up With People Who Were Much More Sophisticated Than I, And It Was An Exciting Time Because My Eyes Were Opening And That's Always Exciting And Michigan Is The Place Where We Had The First Teach-in Against The War.

The Idea That You Live Your Life In Phases - I've Never Bought That. I Feel Like I'm The Same Person Who Sat In At The Draft Board In 1965, I'm The Same Person Who Joined A Fraternity, I'm The Same Person Who Got An Mfa At Bennington, And I'm The Same Person Who Founded Weather Underground. My Values Are Still Intact.

In Some Ways A Mark Of Good Parenting Is That You Don't Try To Make Your Children Into Little Knockoffs Of Yourself. None Of Us Went Into Business. None Of Us Became Powerful People Like That. All Of Us Pursued Our Own Passions And Our Own Interests. One Of My Brothers Was Filmmaker. One Of My Brothers Was A Teacher. My Sister Was A Librarian.

Well, First Of All I Think That We Have To Be Careful With Terms Like The Working Class, Obviously. When [karl] Marx Wrote About The Working Class He Was Writing About Something Much More Bounded Than We're Talking About.

Kill All The Rich People. Break Up Their Cars And Apartments. Bring The Revolution Home, Kill Your Parents, That's Where It's Really At.

It's Amazing Where The Paranoid Mind Can Take You.

I'd Been Arrested Many Times By Then. I'd Been An Organizer, So Many Things Had Changed Over Those Three Years [from 1965 Till 1968].

The [vietnam] War's Gone On For Three Years. And We'd Thought We'd Ended It Because We'd Done Exactly What We Were Told And What We Told Ourselves We'd Had To Do. We Had A Majority. We Were Against The War And This Created A Crisis For Democracy And A Crisis For The Antiwar Movement.

In A World As Out Of Balance As This World, Everyone Can Find Something To Do. And The Question Isn't Can You Do Everything; The Question Is, Can You Do Anything?

Terrorists Destroy Randomly.

The End Of Students For A Democratic Society Is Viewed By Me And A Lot Of Other People As A Terrible Sorry In Many Ways, Tragic Event Even Though I Participated In It And Played Some Role In It. But I Regret A Lot Of That.

We Should Open Our Eyes, See What's In Front Of Us, And Act.

Students For A Democratic Society Was Also Affiliated With The Civil Rights Movement Everywhere.

When I Was Arrested Opposing The War In Vietnam In 1965, As I Said About 20 Or 30% Of People Were Opposed To The War. By 1968, More Than Half Of Americans Were Opposed To The War. If You Pull In Europeans, Canadians, People From Around The Third World, The War Was Vastly Unpopular. But Even Half Of Americans By 1968 Opposed The War.

We All Want To Believe This American Pastoral, But There's More To It. We Have To Be Willing To Exile Ourselves From The Fantasies And The Mythology That We Create Around Ourselves, Or We're Doomed To Kind Of Innocently Blunder Into Every Country In The World And Murder People.

I Have An Addiction To Caffeine.

Art And Activism Can Be Symbiotic. They Don't Have To Be, Of Course; They Can Also Be Contradictory.

You Will Be Raising These Kids In Your Mind Your Whole Life. And They Will Change You. Your Little Contribution To It - Twenty Years From Now, They'll Be Marching Off Into Other Things And That's Still The Legacy You Leave.

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