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Recycling Helps Make People Feel Involved, And In Some Cases Can Be Useful. Although You've Got To Do Careful Life History Studies Of What You're Recycling. If All You're Doing Is Recycling - If You've Got Three Automobiles, And 10 Children, And A 7,000-square-foot Dot-com Palace And Second Home Up In The Mountains That Has To Be Heated - The Recycling Isn't Making Much Difference.

-Paul R. Ehrlich

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Recycling Helps Make People

Paul R. Ehrlich

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Recycling Helps Make People Feel Involved, And In Some Cases Can Be Useful. Although You've Got To Do Careful Life History Studies Of What You're Recycling. If All You're Doing Is Recycling - If You've Got Three Automobiles, And 10 Children, And A 7,000-square-foot Dot-com Palace And Second Home Up In The Mountains That Has To Be Heated - The Recycling Isn't Making Much Difference.

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