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Often I'll Do Research Just To Get A Time Period Correct, But I Didn't Have To For The '70s... I Feel Like I Can Close My Eyes And Still See It So Clearly.

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Often I'll Do Research

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Often I'll Do Research Just To Get A Time Period Correct, But I Didn't Have To For The '70s... I Feel Like I Can Close My Eyes And Still See It So Clearly.

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But They Always Just Laugh Off Everything I Say, When Really I Want Absolutely Nothing More Than To Destroy The World They Live In And To Watch Them Suffer, Alone And Miserable, Trying To Live In My World For A Change!

It's Embarrassing To Be Involved In The Same Business As The Mainstream Comic Thing. It's Still Very Embarrassing To Tell Other Adults That I Draw Comic Books - Their Instant, Preconceived Notions Of What That Means.

That's Been My Main Interest For The Last 15 Years, Is To Really Make Sure The Story And The Characters Take Precedence Over Everything Else, And That I Give Them Everything I Can To Make Them Exist As Actual People.

I Think That's What We're All Most Terrified About: That We'll Just Die And Disappear And We'll Leave No Trace.

If I Could Have Somehow Been The Kind Of Artist Who Could Crank Out Two Or Three Issues A Year, That's Different. That's Sort Of What It's All About, To Get This Thing Out So That There's Some Kind Of Continuity. But To Do A Comic Book Every Year Or Two Was Just So Anti-climactic.

There Are Certain Things In There That No One Else Would Recognize, Really. I See Details Of My Life That I Didn't Even Intend To Put In When I Was Doing The Work. For Example, I Noticed That Every Single Kid In The High School In The Death-ray Is Based On Somebody I Went To High School With.

I Must Have Been 3 Years Old Or Less, And I Remember Paging Through These Comics, Trying To Figure Out The Stories. I Couldn't Read The Words, So I Made Up My Own Stories.

I'd Always Wanted To Do A Weekly Strip, Or A Strip That Was In Installments Like That. It's Been Fun Trying To Figure Out How To Make That Work. Their Standards Are So Prissy That They Won't Allow Me To Use All Kinds Of Language. Not Only Can You Not Swear, This Morning I Was Informed I Couldn't Use The Word "schmuck." I Couldn't Use "crap," "schmuck," Or "get Laid." Those Three Were Beyond The Pale. But You Get Around That, And It Comes Out Better. I Can't Quite Explain Why.

I Started Drawing At A Very Young Age. Writing A Story Wasn't Satisfying, But To Actually Draw Our Own World - It's Like Controlling Your Own Dreams.

Writing Screenplays Is Very Freeing From What You Can Do In Comics In A Lot Of Ways. You Can Change Things Around. I Can Take Great Delight In Writing 40 Pages, Then Just Pressing Delete And Getting Rid Of It And Not Thinking About It Ever Again. Whereas In Comics, If I Had Put That Kind Of Effort Into It, I Couldn't Go On.

Certainly It's Great To Be Able To Talk To Your Friends About Something. They Might Mention A Film, And You Can Find All About It, And You Don't Have To Wait Months Until You Can Find A Book That Might Cover The Subject And Keep It In Your Head. You Can Have That Kind Of Immediacy. But There's Also Something About It, Where All The Knowledge Seems Kind Of Fleeting. All The Stuff I Learn About In That Way, I Can Be Interested In For A Day And Then It's Gone.

I Feel Like A Lot Of My Aesthetic Was In Response To Feeling The Awfulness And Cheapness Of That [ The 70'th].

I Think If You Had Different Artists Approaching The Material In Different Styles, That's Very Different. I Think It's An Interesting Thing To Discover, What's Present In The Work Even When You're Shifting The Styles. I've Just Found It A Much Stronger Way To Work.

It's Much More Liberating As A Artist To Feel Like You Can Approach Each Page And Each Panel With The Way That Inspires You The Most. I Think The Thing That Bogs Down A Lot Of Artists Is That You're Kind Of Stuck Drawing In A Style You've Developed.

In An Art School It's Very Hard To Tell Who Is The Best.

I Think A Comic Looks Better In The Magazine. The Colors Are Designed To Be On Paper, Not Illuminated On Screen. I Don't Like The Aspect Of People Reading It For Free. When People Get Things For Free, They Tend To Not Take Them As Seriously. But I Don't Know. I'm Sure 10 Times More People Are Reading It Online Than In The Actual Paper.

More And More, I Tried To Make Comics In The Way I Like To Read Comics, And I Found That When I Read Comics That Are Really Densely Packed With Text, It May Be Rewarding When I Finally Do Sit Down And Read It, But It Never Is Going To Be The First I'm Going To Read, And I Never Am Fully Excited To Just Sit Down And Read That Comic.

I Have Cultivated A Little Crew Of People Whose Opinions I Understand. It's Like The Way You'd Follow Certain Film Critics Because You Know What Their Criteria Are, And You May Not Agree With Them, But You Can Glean From Their Opinion How You Will Feel About A Film.

You Have To Find The Tone Of The Piece And Modulate That. There Are Ways To Indicate That - I Try To Incorporate The Biggest Range I Can Within The Story, Going From Humorous To Serious Without It Being Jarring. That's The Hardest Part, To Keep That Balance. It Requires Being Constantly Aware Of Where You Are In The Story. You Can't Really Do That In A Movie: You Can't Slightly Modulate The Tone By The Way The Character's Eyeballs Look In One Certain Scene.

I Actually Start Drawing Things. Usually They're Abandoned Before I Commit Too Much Time And Effort.

I Think I'm Gonna Attach Myself To The Sinking Ship That Is Book Publishing.

I Don't Read Much Of Anything Online.

Writing A Screenplay, I'm Like, "all I'm Responsible For Is That Final Script, And I Take Great Effort And Pride In That." But Once I Give It To Someone To Make, I Can Disassociate With It Entirely And Not Worry That My Vision Isn't Being Represented, Because I Understand Fully That That's Not How It Works.

If You Think About It Enough To Have A Really Articulate Answer, You're Not Doing It Right. That's How I Feel About Art. If Your Thought Process Could Take You To Knowing Exactly What You're Doing And Why, There Would Be No Point In Making The Art. It Would Become Like Propaganda. It's More Nebulous Than That.

Even If I Only Had 10 Readers, I'd Rather Do The Book For Them Than For A Million Readers Online.

Something I Always Wanted To Do, To Capture That Later Half Of The '70s. It's Like The Early Half Of The '70s Is Still The '60s, In That There's Still Kind Of A Playfulness And Inventiveness In Terms Of Design And The Things That Were Going On In The Culture. The Second Half, It Got Much More Commodified. It's Possibly The Ugliest Era Of Architecture And Clothes And Design In The Entire 20th Century, From 1975 To '81 Or '82.

I Knew How To Draw All Of The Different Smokestacks On The Old Trains And All That Stuff, And Then I Realized That If I Can Draw Trains, Which Is The Thing I Was Probably The Least Interested In In The World At The Time, I Can Do Anything And Find A Way Into It That Will Be Interesting.

I Never Feel There's Anything I Can't Do With Comics. There Are Certain Things In Comics That You Can't Do In Any Other Medium: For Instance, In Mister Wonderful, Marshall's Narration Overlaps The Events As They're Going On. That Would Be Difficult In Film; You Could Blot Speech Out With A Voiceover, But It Wouldn't Have The Same Effect. That's Always Of Interest, To See What New Things You Can Do In Comics Form.

Avatar Is A Total Nerd Thing, And Yet Our Popular Culture Has Somehow Made All That Stuff Acceptable.

I'm A Fan Of Parchment And Wood Pulp.

But I Enjoy The Opportunity To Use Swear Symbols.

As Soon As I'm Finished With It, It Feels Like An Impersonal Project. Like, "well, I Did Another Book."

I Was Thinking The Other Day That There Will Never Be Another Form Of Music That Everybody Has To Respond To - Like Disco.

I Can Look At My Early Work And See What A Pained Struggle It Was To Draw What I Was Drawing. I Was Trying So Hard To Get This Specific Look That Was In My Head, And Always Falling Short.

It's Hard To Tell If Anyone's Interested In Reading A Serialized Story. But It's Interesting To Put In A Cliffhanger Each Week. That Was Popular In Old Comic Strips. They'd Write A Weekend Story Different From The Daily Strip. So People Follow One Story Day To Day, And A Separate Story On Weekends. If You Read Them, You Think "i'll Read Two More." Then You're Like "i Gotta Find Out!" And You Read 500 More.

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I Think I've Had The Fantasy Of A Ray-gun That Could Erase The World From The Time I Was A Very Little Kid.

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In Some Ways, I Never Outgrew My Adolescence. I Wake Up In The Morning And Think, 'oh My God, I'm Late For A Math Test!' But Then I Say, 'wait A Minute. I'm 40.

Often I'll Do Research Just To Get A Time Period Correct, But I Didn't Have To For The '70s... I Feel Like I Can Close My Eyes And Still See It So Clearly.

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I Think I Have A Very Clear Vision Of What I Want Things To Look Like.

I Originally Just Wanted To Be An Artist.

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I Never Know If A Book Is Crazy Or Not. There's That Fear - This Is The One That Will End It All.

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I Had No Television When I Was Little, Just A Stack Of Old, Beat-up Comics From The 1950s And 1960s.

Surely Comics Require More Effort On The Part Of The Reader Than Movies Or Television. I'm Always Learning New Things You Can Do With Comics That Wouldn't Work In Any Other Medium, And Often They Require The Need To Process A Lot Of Dense Information. Of Course, The Trick Is To Make The Complicated Seem Effortless And Spontaneous.

I Believe In The Transformative Power Of Cinema. It Is Only Through This Shared Dream-experience That We Can Transcend The Oppressive Minutiae Of Daily Existence And Find Some Spiritual Connection In The Deeper Reality Of Our Mutual Desire.

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I Try To Employ A Different Strategy For Each Story. Often, I'll Have A Specific Look In Mind Before I Even Have The Story To Go With It. I'm Not So Much Interested In Forcing The Issue Of Reader Identification Through Various Graphic Tricks. I'm More Interested In Creating Specific Characters That Resonate With My Own Particular Inner Struggles.

When You See Somebody Who's Got A Complaining Personality, It Usually Means That They Had Some Vision Of What Things Could Be, And They're Constantly Disappointed By That. I Think That Would Be The Camp That I Would Fall Into - Constantly Horrified By The Things People Do.

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I'm Always Hiding The Books In My Closet, And My Art's Always Turned Upside Down In My Drawer.

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Everybody Just Lets The Media Do Their Thinking For Them... That's Why You'll Never Hear Any Reggae On The Radio!

When I Go Back And Reread The Stuff, I'm Always Floored By How Deeply Personal And Revealing It Actually Is.

I Think That Gulf Is What Makes The Work Interesting, But As A Creator It's Endlessly Frustrating Because I'm Starting Out With This Goal, This Thing I'm Trying To Create, And Then The Thing I Actually Do Create Is Very, Very Different. It's Always Painful, In Some Ways, Especially When It's Just Finished.

Face It, You Hate Every Single Boy On The Face Of The Earth!" "that's Not True, I Just Hate All These Obnoxious, Extroverted, Pseudo-bohemian Art-school Losers

I'm Usually The Last To See My Influence In Other People's Work. People Give Me Stuff And Say "oh Look, This Guy's Ripping You Off," And I'm Like "what Do You Mean?" Often I See The People That I've Ripped Off Filtered Into My Own Work. In Other People's Work, I Can Only See Specific, Tiny Little Instances Of Inflections Stolen From Another Artist.

Comics Seldom Move Me The Way I Would Be Moved By A Novel Or Movie. I Say This As Someone Who Would Rather Read Comics Than Watch Movies, Listen To Music, Anything. But It's Not An Operatic Medium. I Hear Other People Talk About Being Moved To Tears By Comics. I Can't Imagine That.

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I Think Politics Has An Influence On My Work Now, Perhaps More So Than When I Was A Childless Young Man, But I Hope Never To Deal With These Kinds Of Issues In Anything More Than A Covert Manner. I'm More Interested In Figuring Out What I Think Than In Pronouncing My Views To The World.

I Think There Was A Point That I Realized I Could Do What I Wanted To Do In Terms Of The Drawing. I Used To Run Around A Lot Of Things. I Would Shy Away From Certain Things That I Realized Would Be Horrible For Me To Draw, And Just Wouldn't Be Fun.

Though To The Average Person That You'll Meet On An Airplane, If You Tell Them You Draw Comics, They'll Still Have Sort Of The Same Response - Not Like That's Seeped Into The Culture At Large, That Comics Are Not Just For Kids.

I Really Want People To Read The Book, And Bookstores Never Sold An Issue Of Eightball Because Nobody Knew What It Was.

The Secret To Being Alone Is To Organize Your Time; To Develop Habits And Routines And Gradually Elevate Their Importance To Where They Seem Almost Like Normal, Healthy Activities.

I've Had A Real Lucky Time Working In Hollywood. I've Talked To Other Screenwriters, And They're All Kind Of Beaten Down And Their Spirits Are Crushed, Because They Work On These Screenplays And These Projects, And Then Directors Either Take Them And Change Everything, Rewrite Them And Make Them Worse, Or They Film Them And They're Nothing Like How They Imagined It To Be.

For Me, The Whole Process Involves Envisioning This Ghost World Comic Book In My Head As I'm Working.

Alfred Hitchcock Talked About Planning Out His Movies So Meticulously That When He Was Actually Shooting And Editing, It Was The Most Boring Thing In The World. But Drawing Comics Isn't Like Shooting A Movie. You Can Shoot A Movie In A Few Days And Be Done With It, But Drawing A Comic Takes Years And Years... That's The Biggest Part Of Doing Comics: You Have To Create Stuff That Makes You Want To Get Out Of Bed Every Morning And Get To Work.

In A Movie, You Have To Be Mindful That No Budget Is Going To Be Able To Deal With Running Around The Globe At Every Whim Of The Writer.

I Was 30 Before I Made A Living That Was Not Embarrassing.

I've Felt That In The Past, Where I Just Felt Like I Had To Keep Drawing In The Same Way To Maintain This Sameness And Rhythm Throughout An Entire Book, And It Was Not Really Necessary.

I Have This Certain Vision Of The Way I Want My Comics To Look; This Sort Of Photographic Realism, But With A Certain Abstraction That Comics Can Give. It's Kind Of A Fine Line.

I Try Personally Not To Be Nostalgic.

It Keeps Me Moving When I See People Doing Stuff That I See As "my" Direction. I Think, "oh, It's Been Tainted. Now I've Got To Do Something New." There's Nothing Worse Than Working On Your Own Stuff And Thinking That Someone Else Is Following You Along.

For Example, I Noticed That Every Single Kid In The High School In 'the Death-ray' Is Based On Somebody I Went To High School With.

I Never Feel There's Anything I Can't Do.

I'm Always Looking For Things I Imagine Must Exist, But Don't - This Is Usually The Impetus To Create That Thing Myself.

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