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Keeping Fans Loyal Is A Delicate Balance. Therein Lies The Challenge For Any Band That's More Than A Couple Albums Deep. It's Like, How Do You Continue To Make Records That Are Representative Of Who You Are That Your Fans Will Recognize As Your Band, While Still Trying To Push Things Forward And Present New Sounds For People.

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Keeping Fans Loyal Is

Ben Gibbard

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Keeping Fans Loyal Is A Delicate Balance. Therein Lies The Challenge For Any Band That's More Than A Couple Albums Deep. It's Like, How Do You Continue To Make Records That Are Representative Of Who You Are That Your Fans Will Recognize As Your Band, While Still Trying To Push Things Forward And Present New Sounds For People.

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