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In History, In Most Cultures, And At Most Points In Time, If You Want To Find The Most Advanced Technologies, You Can Look Principally In Two Places. One Is Weapons And The Other Is Musical Instruments. My Hypothesis Is That Instruments Are Usually Ahead Of Weapons. In Fact, I Think You Can Find Many Examples Of Instruments Being Predecessors Of Weapons And Very Few In The Reverse.

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In History, In Most Cultures, And At Most Points In Time, If You Want To Find The Most Advanced Technologies, You Can Look Principally In Two Places. One Is Weapons And The Other Is Musical Instruments. My Hypothesis Is That Instruments Are Usually Ahead Of Weapons. In Fact, I Think You Can Find Many Examples Of Instruments Being Predecessors Of Weapons And Very Few In The Reverse.

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