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I'm Constantly Reminding Myself That The World Owes Us Nothing. We Have To Make Our Way And We Have To Work Hard, Persevere And Make Our Own Way In The World Because The World Isn't Waiting For Us, So Let's Let The World Know We Are Here.

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I'm Constantly Reminding Myself

Tim Gunn

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I'm Constantly Reminding Myself That The World Owes Us Nothing. We Have To Make Our Way And We Have To Work Hard, Persevere And Make Our Own Way In The World Because The World Isn't Waiting For Us, So Let's Let The World Know We Are Here.

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I'm Constantly Correcting Young People And Fashion Students In This Nation When They Say "well, I Do Couture." By Definition, You Don't. You Have To Be Licensed By The Government Of France To Do Couture. So Don't Use That Term. You Can Say That You Do One-of-a-kind, You Can Say It's Custom, But You Can't Say It's Couture - Because It's Inaccurate.

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I Have My Flaws And My Issues, Past And Present And Who Knows What Will Happen In The Future. I Want People To Know Im Vulnerable Too And Each One Of Us Is.

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Fashion Designer

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Self Confidence

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I Learned From Teaching. If You Are Perceived By The Student To Be Belittling Them Or Purely Criticizing Them Without Offering Up Words Of Encouragement And Support, They Shut Down And Discredit You.

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