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The [israelis] Believed - They Were Possessed Of An Absolute Certainty And Conviction - That 'terrorists' Were In Chatila. How Could I Explain To Them That The Terrorists Had Left, That The Terrorists Had Worn Israeli Uniforms, That The Terrorists Had Been Sent Into Chatila By Israeli Officers, That The Victims Of The Terrorists Were Not Israelis But Palestinians And Lebanese?

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Robert Fisk

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The [israelis] Believed - They Were Possessed Of An Absolute Certainty And Conviction - That 'terrorists' Were In Chatila. How Could I Explain To Them That The Terrorists Had Left, That The Terrorists Had Worn Israeli Uniforms, That The Terrorists Had Been Sent Into Chatila By Israeli Officers, That The Victims Of The Terrorists Were Not Israelis But Palestinians And Lebanese?

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