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After The War People Said, 'if You Can Plan For War, Why Can't You Plan For Peace?' When I Was 17, I Had A Letter From The Government Saying, 'dear Mr. Benn, Will You Turn Up When You're 17 1/2? We'll Give You Free Food, Free Clothes, Free Training, Free Accommodation, And Two Shillings, Ten Pence A Day To Just Kill Germans.' People Said, Well, If You Can Have Full Employment To Kill People, Why In God's Name Couldn't You Have Full Employment And Good Schools, Good Hospitals, Good Houses?

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After The War People Said, 'if You Can Plan For War, Why Can't You Plan For Peace?' When I Was 17, I Had A Letter From The Government Saying, 'dear Mr. Benn, Will You Turn Up When You're 17 1/2? We'll Give You Free Food, Free Clothes, Free Training, Free Accommodation, And Two Shillings, Ten Pence A Day To Just Kill Germans.' People Said, Well, If You Can Have Full Employment To Kill People, Why In God's Name Couldn't You Have Full Employment And Good Schools, Good Hospitals, Good Houses?

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The Marxist Analysis Has Got Nothing To Do With What Happened In Stalin's Russia: It's Like Blaming Jesus Christ For The Inquisition In Spain.

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If Democracy Is Destroyed In Britain, It Will Be Not The Communists, Trotskyists Or Subversives But This House Which Threw It Away. The Rights That Are Entrusted To Us Are Not For Us To Give Away. Even If I Agree With Everything That Is Proposed, I Cannot Hand Away Powers Lent To Me For Five Years By The People Of Chesterfield. I Just Could Not Do It. It Would Be Theft Of Public Rights.

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I'm A Democrat - I Don't Support Bush, I Don't Support Blair, I Don't Support Bin Laden.

If One Meets A Powerful Person - Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin Or Bill Gates - Ask Them Five Questions: 'what Power Have You Got? Where Did You Get It From? In Whose Interests Do You Exercise It? To Whom Are You Accountable? And How Can We Get Rid Of You?' If You Cannot Get Rid Of The People Who Govern You, You Do Not Live In A Democratic System.

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The Quickest Way To Get To The Top In Society Probably Is To Be A Blair Babe Now. And Then All Of A Sudden You Find You're Invited To Parties. I Don't Want To Be Cynical, Because I'm Not. But I've Seen It Happen To So Many People Who Move From The Left To The Right So Damn Quickly.

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There Is No Final Victory, As There Is No Final Defeat. There Is Just The Same Battle. To Be Fought, Over And Over Again. So Toughen Up, Bloody Toughen Up.

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Through Me The Energy Policy Of The Whole Common Market Is Being Held Up. Without Opening Old Wounds, It Pleases Me No End.

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Thanks To The Tabloid Campaigns I Have Many Death Threats And I Was Very Pleased To Get Another One The Other Day.

Undoubtedly The War With Iraq Was A Tragedy. I Think It Was Also A Crime.

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Remember, Imperialism Is Always Presented As Humanitarian: The White Man's Burden, The Cross Going Round The World, The Poor Benighted Natives, The Sun Never Sets. . . So You Have To Be Very Careful About Humanitarianism.

It Is Obvious I Shall Have To Abandon My Hopes Of Getting The Queen's Head Off The Stamps.

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If You Want Your Debt Lifted You've Got To Sell Your School And Your Hospitals.

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Someone Comes Every Morning At Nine O'clock To See If I Am Still Alive. I Do Get Lonely, Yes, But I Have The Children Who Come And See Me. I See All My Children Every Week, And There Are The Grandchildren, Too.

I Try To Operate On Two Unconnected Levels. One On The Practical Level Of Action In Which I Am Extremely Cautious And Conservative. The Second Is The Realm Of Ideas Where I Try To Be Very Free

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Christians Believe That God Created Man, And Humanists Believe That Man Invented God. But Whichever Way You Look At It, We're Brothers And Sisters. Either We're Brothers And Sisters Because We're Children Of God, Or Because We've Banded Together To Invent God. So The Ethics Of The Humanist And The Ethics Of Some Christians Are Very Similar. And We Don't Want To Create Divisions Between Humanists And Liberation Theologians, Any More Than We Want Between The New Worker And The Trots. It's Not Helpful.

I Think If You Do Have Democracy It Would Transform The World Because If The Millions Of People Who Die Live On A Dollar A Day, Had The Vote, They Would Redistribute The Wealth Of The World, And The People At The Top Are Not Prepared To See That Happen.

I Sometimes Wish The Trade Unionists Who Work In The Mass Media, Those Who Are Writers And Broadcasters And Secretaries And Printers And Lift Operators Of Thomson House Would Remember That They Too Are Members Of Our Working Class Movement And Have A Responsibility To See That What Is Said About Us Is True.

I Have Had The Advantage Of A Radical Christian Upbringing

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I Was Radicalised By Being A Minister. That's When I Saw How The System Really Worked. And That Is Not A Very Usual Process, But It Certainly Happened To Me: It Gave Me A Lot More Experience, It Helped Me To Understand Where Power Really Lay, Develop Strategies For Undermining Or Changing It, And So On. But That Isn't The Norm. Mr Gladstone Moved To The Left As He Got Older, And One Or Two Other People Have, But Normally You Swing The Other Way.

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